The future of council water services

A year ago I wrote that the city's water services should not be metered - now I'm not so sure.

There seems to be good evidence that people use far less water when usage is metered. It's also easier to track down leakage. The social justice argument against direct, volumetric water charges can be countered by giving low-income people a rebate or making a daily allocation free.

As for the outright asset sale of water services, the law presently forbids this, but the law has recently been changed to allow councils to contract out the provision, management and control of services for up to 35 years. Some critics say this is just privatisation by another name.

On the other hand, local body debt is large and rising. Much of the debt is accounted for by the need to replace and repair aging infrastructure, particularly water-related infrastructure.

Dunedin City's 3 Waters Strategic Direction Statement indicated that to maintain a reasonable level of service the city would have to spend about $800 million over the next fifty years - and that was a conservative estimate. (The 3 Waters Strategic Direction Statement is an excellent piece of work by the council, looking at water sustainability issues seriously and thoroughly.)

Contracting out services means the contracting company coughs up for the expensive new infrastructure, which a council could not borrow for without skyrocketing and arguably unaffordable rates.

On the other hand (again), many cities have found water tariffs go up and up after contracting out services. Users of water services have to pay all associated costs sooner or later, unless they defer these costs to their children and grandchildren.

Council Controlled Organisations are supposed to make a profit, as do private companies taking up contracts. Councils don't. I feel uneasy about the fact that urban water services are a global industry and that a place like Queenstown (among many others in NZ and Australia) has water services supplied by Veolia, one of the biggest international companies, through its subsidiary, United Water.

These global 'water industry' companies claim to be making a reasonable profit, but then the World Bank did an analysis that the return on investment was only about 7%.

Costs of supplying water and discharging or recycling used water in a non-polluting and sustainable way are likely to rise, and rising oil shortages will make materials more expensive.

But how can water be priced out of people's reach? You need it to live. Cities' requirements for water will compete with water needed for growing food.

To further complicate the mix, there are the pressures caused by climate change and also possible sea level rise, which could threaten a coastal sewage treatment plant like Dunedin's. Also central government is likely to more strictly regulate water use in the future and rules always have costs attached.

Do people have a right to water? We would all like to believe so. But the same argument can be made for a right to warmth, shelter and food - all necessities we must find the money to pay for. Water seems to be inevitably suffering ‘the tragedy of the commons'.

The question of Dunedin's water services governance will surely soon come up for public consultation. Should we have a Council Controlled Organisation? If we do, might that CCO let a contract, maybe to an international company like Veolia? And maybe for 35 years? Once we had a CCO or a Council Controlled Trading Organisation (CCTO) for water services, would there be any transparency about how it was managed? Or would it all be too ‘commercially sensitive' to include the public?

I'm presently inclined to think that, after all, we should meter water in Dunedin and, yes, we should have volumetric charging (i.e. user pays water rates). We should also look for and encourage water conservation methods.

Our rainfall, although increasing, may be a bit on the low side to make rainfall harvesting cost-effective, but it's something which should be investigated.

Since the council doesn't need to make a profit on water services, it would be desirable to keep the services run directly by the council, as they are now, efficiently enough, and not make them into a Council Controlled Organization, a possible first step to contracting them out.

But that is only if the city can afford to keep them, considering the huge infrastructure expenditure necessary. Sadly, I doubt that it can.

water and how to get it free (reprise)

Check out my earlier comment.

Sustainabilty

This is a timely reminder for the need for using our precious water resources in a sustainable way.  In Christchurch, we've learned how precious our water is.  Encouraging people to harvest and store rainwater, for example, is not only good for the council's budget, but also the environment.  Dare I also mention that a barrel of rainwater was very valuable in an emergency.

'The council' suits the stadium's proponents...

Actually, Mr Walls is mistaken. On the site he mentions I said I hold the stadium councillors (Mr Walls, Noone, Bezette, Chin, Weatheral, Collins, Brown, Guest, etc) responsible for the purposeful economic downgrading of this city through the imposition of stadium debt.

I was very careful to not make the mistake of using the generic 'DCC' term because this would obviously suit those stadium councillors who wish to hide behind this generic label. Mr Walls tried to do this again by assuming that himself and the stadium councillors were 'the council'. 

They weren't. There were others on council who opposed the debt, and they were all returned to council. 

Why is this important? It is critical. Can you trust those who voted for stadium debt to try very hard to stop our city's assets from being sold off? Folks, this means people's jobs and livelihoods will be on the line. It is in our best interests to remember who gave this city its massive debt.

Doing it right all the time

A well written comment MikeStk. I agree with all of it. Such a pity we do not seem able to vote in people who can think outside the square. Your comments do of course beg the so far unanswered question: Specifically "who" drove this stadium project to be finished to this timetable and why? We all have our suspicions but with NZ libel laws.... The "who" will probably never be publicised by the ODT but it would be informative to see the truth in print.

Your understanding is correct

But there is reference to it in the DAP 2011-12, page V of the summary:

Management of Water and Waste Services: “There will be plenty of time for residents to consider proposed changes to the way Dunedin manages its water, wastewater and stormwater services.
The Council has decided to have a separate consultation process during the year on this important issue, rather than asking for the public’s views as part of the draft 2011/12 Annual Plan. At this stage, the Council’s preferred option is to create a Council Controlled Organisation to deliver water services, rather than managing them in-house.
No decisions will be made until a public submission process has been carried out. Any changes would not come into effect until 1 July 2012.”

Doing the right thing

I think it's immoral to commit our children to pay for something 20 years from now that they may not want - they didn't get a vote on the matter. Doing it for a basic service like water or sewerage is a no brainer - I think I read Everyone Poops to my kids at 4 and they understood that.

But to assume that they will want a rugby stadium just because you do is a bit of a stretch. Just assuming that they will even watch or play rugby when there are so many more interesting things in the world is surely a failure of the imagination, blinkers left from a golden age that we lost when we got more than one TV channel and rugby went professional and became all about the money.

Instead, if you want to build something large like a stadium there's a much more sensible way to go about it. It just takes a little self-discipline and forethought on the part of the council. Raise the money first, have the council put some money aside every year (while they have a mandate to do so) and save up - just like I did to buy my house (I didn't take out a mortgage for my kids to pay off). Earn some interest, get donations from the rugby community and private companies to hurry it along, and then take out a short loan - one you can pay off in  3 to 5 years, which is about the length of your mandate.

If a project is worth it then it's worth waiting a few years to do it sensibly. Instead, the council's falling for this instant gratification will cost us a hundred million dollars in interest (ODT 20/6/9). With a little patience we could have been earning interest on that money while we were waiting.

By not having enough self control to wait the council took away any incentive for the rugby community to contribute to their stadium. Before the council caved in over money the ORFU pledged Carisbrook (worth $7m). Afterwards we ended up paying them. How bizarre is that?

Looking at council agendas and minutes

Yes,  the Dunedin City Council and some Otago Regional Council minutes and agendas from the current year are available in the DCC City Library in the NZ Room on the 3rd floor.  They're also available online. And more recent inspection copies are at the DCC Customer Service Cente. You can access the older ones from DCC Archives.  Also other public records like all submissions made to past Annual Plans.

I do read these from time to time. I was under the impression that the only decision made so far was to send the question of Council Controlled Organisation governance for water services out to public consultation, but that a date had not yet been set. I also got the impression that there was considerable difference of opinion amongst councillors on this.

Is there anything about it is this year's Draft Annual Plan? I don't think so.

 

Equity, debt and tired Arguments

Your opinion has the inevitable touch of fact but is highly debatable.  Whether Waipori was 'legacy' in the terms you use or not (and it was really bought by the then council to provide power for the new tramcars), the continued investment by successive councils over many years did not happen without resort to loan funding.  

As you would know if were familiar with the pre-1989 requirement for 'Sinking Funds', the mechanism that provided for the reepayment of loans and the like. 

And, as a matter of interest, in commercial terms, the former DCC Electricity Department was making a thumping loss before it was reformed into the company structure.

"Chirpbird" started this thread in regard to water but, as seems to be common, it is "hijacked" or "diverted" by those regurgitating what are now tired arguments on other subjects. 

Suffice to say that my continuing interest in the subject reflects the upgrading of wastewater, water and landfills etc. which was started by the two councils I was privileged to lead as Mayor between 1989-95 and continued by the successor councils of which I have been largely part.

And in regard to the current topic and points raised, it is pertinent to ask just how those major capital intensive programmes were started with minimal recourse to loan financing for the first 8 years or so.  It is all there in the financials for 2000/01 (the figure often referred to by Cr. Lee Vandervis) for those who choose to inform themselves. 

Equity vs. debt

Equity and debt are very different things - the Waipori legacy is equity that our canny forefathers (and mothers) created and passed down to us. The stadium debt is what you and your compatriots on the previous council have created to pass down to the coming generation

Please get it right

Intergenerational equity (not debt) is a generic term used to describe how successive generations contribute their share of the cost of long term infrastructure assets, e.g. sewage, water systems, some parts of which have a very, very long life.

I am aware that on an anti-council Facebook page last year, you and several contributors persistently misrepresented that definition.  

My comment in regard to the stadium capital debt i.e. loan repayment, on my earlier post was"the repayment of that is already provided for over the next 20 years as shown in successive Annual Plans."

In that context, it is certainly not a side issue and, given the repayment period it is, in my opinion, hardly "intergenerational" .

 

Water decision already made

Sorry, it has already been decided. By the time discussions like this arise in the ODT comment section, the forms have been stamped, signed and hands have been shaken.

Let's face it guys, we are paying for water whether we like it or not. If any of you believe otherwise, all you have to do is look at the media records in the public library's third floor,  from the Chinese garden to the Stadium. It may enlighten many of you who are not familiar with council proceedings and media reports. It's all there - nothing made up and plain as day. Please do some research and make up your own mind. [Abridged]

The bottom line, water or a stadium?

I do not doubt for a second that ex-councillor Walls hopes fervently that the stadium debt become a ‘side issue'. He, after all, thought it made good economic sense to have intergenerational debt to service the stadium he voted for. Interesting he has written on this forum.

Clr Walls is no longer on council but other stadium councillors are; Cr Hudson (chair of Dunedin holdings) and Cr Brown (chair of finance and strategy) hold positions of power and influence on council, and their decisions can influence this city greatly. The question is; how confident are you that these councillors (and Noone, Bezette, Collins, Acklins et al) will fight very hard to stop our water from being privatised? Especially if it means diverting funds from the stadium?

If you believe, as ex-councillor Walls would like, that there is no connection between those who voted for stadium debt and their future decision around privatising water- then that is fine. But, whatever, this is something all Dunedin people could think about if they value water.

What the Water Act really says

I have had concerns about the sale of the water supply for some time.  The recent Act that received so much publicity about the 35 lease provision, actually contains two later clauses that quietly allow immediate effective full privatisation to occur. 

Read Rob Hamlin's full comment here

Seconded

Let's commission a permanent sculpture of the stadium conspirators in stocks. We can pick a suitable anniversary and then once a year pelt it with rotten vegetables.

Water, water ....

Some thoughtful points, ‘Chirpbird'.

You cannot set up companies - any companies - simply to make tax deductible losses. That said, there is a marked difference between CCO's (Council Controlled Organisations) and CCTO's (Council Controlled Trading Organisations).

CCO's do not have to return a dividend and generally report directly to Council. CCTO's are expected to run on commercial lines and to return a dividend.

The current proposal before Council is for a CCO. I have not heard of anything that proposes a profit-making venture on the line that ‘Amanda K' suggests to repay the stadium debt. Her view is, of course, coloured by her anti-stadium view and thus she fails to acknowledge that the repayment of that is already provided for over the next 20 years as shown in successive Annual Plans.

On the wider points you raise, I was alerted last week on 'Change This' to a recently published book "The Big Thirst" by Charles Fishman, author of ‘The Wal-mart Effect'.

In it, Fishman says: "An economics of water should be liberating-for people and for water itself. It doesn't mean turning water supplies or water infrastructure over to remote, self-interested, profit-driven corporations. It means putting not just a price, but a value, on the most important substance in our daily lives, and putting a price, and a value, on the work necessary to make sure that substance is available in the quantity and quality that sustains the kind of communities we want to have.

"Price is incredibly potent. Indeed, if you had to pick one thing to fix about water, one thing that would help you fix everything else - scarcity, unequal distribution, misuse, waste, skewed priorities, resistance to re-use, short-sighted exploitation of natural water resources-that one thing is price.

"The right price changes how we see everything else about water." 

As I have said, I have not heard anyone on Council suggest "a profit-driven corporation". I trust we will see more objective thinking along the lines of your contribution ‘Chirpbird' and less of the side issues typified by ‘Amanda K's' response.

 

 

Basic economics

Maintaining the water system is what I pay my rates for. We wouldn't be in this positon if most of the council had remembered that before they voted to subject us to the stadium debt for the forseeable future. I for one will be making sure that ratepayers never forget exactly who is responsible for this debacle.

Water or a rate-funded stadium

One of the reasons I oppose the stadium is that the black hole of debt means that water being privatised is a real threat now to pay all that debt. That is what Clrs Hudson, Noone, Collins and Brown chose for us when they chose the stadium debt.

In a few years, when the reason for the DCC having so much debt is all forgotten, these councillors will tell us all that due to this massive debt we all wanted (because we all wanted the stadium), they have no choice but to consider privatisation of water. And that it is all our fault for wanting that stadium, don't you know? Can't have the toys without paying a price. And Dunedin people will be the  ones paying and paying.