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Submitted by sith loard on Sun, 15/03/2009 - 2:19pm.
I used to go along Carisbrook to support the Highlanders and
Otago and now I dont even bother any because of the DCC and
the ORC both giving the stadium the green light. Also I don't
care if the Highlanders win or lose and I support the
Hurricanes in the Super 14 and Wellington in the Air New
Zealand cup.
The Otago Highlanders are now just 'The Highlanders'.
This is a commercial franchise where the number of officials
& security people appear to outnumber the fans. I reckon
they even mustered the few students in attendance into a
little middle section of the terraces to make the tv coverage
atmosphere appear inspiring...next they will adopt rent a
crowd & canned applause to produce a staged television
event.
If we lose the Highlanders franchise it won't be at all a bad
thing, the franchise will just compete in other venues with
other supporters. They are just another commodity for the Sky
TV network & the TAB.
My belief is that we should embrace our people in the game
for the NPC.
We should select our men from Southland & Otago to coach
and play rugby for the provinces pride.
Even if our lads are losing a few games, if they are our boys
playing 'our game - our way at our place: Carisbrook'...then
we can have pride and passion in our boys performances.
Spending a few quid upgrading our beloved house of pain would
be required because that is who we are, the rugby spirit of
Otago past present & future lies in the history of epic
rugby matches at Carisbrook.
Submitted by RedTussock on Sun, 08/03/2009 - 10:43pm.
The traditional supporters grew up as kids running onto
Carisbrook to get autographs from players that they knew, at
the end of another provincial clash. Some of them went on to
represent their province, to get their photos on the walls of
their home clubs. Heaven forbid there is even one club not to
be mentioned with Wayne Graham's photo on the wall with his
All Black jersey on... I digress.. Back in the 80/90's the
players were from the local university, and the hinterland.
they partied after the game in the student sector, there was
connection between the team, and its supporters. I personally
couldn't tell you who is in the Highlanders team this year
... the disconnection started with the professional era, the
first thing the money men insisted was that the kids couldn't
run on after a game for autographs. So what kid today gets a
chance to shake the hand of a player and have something to
aspire too. Professional rugby now is boring. Its about about
30 players terrified of losing, and so defending brutally for
40-50 minutes of every game. We know this because we have the
stats to tell us. Give me a game of skill, courage, and
fitness where size doesn't matter, like hockey, even soccer.
These sports provide sporting challenge for young kids today.
The numbers turning out for teams in these codes must be a
concern for NZRFU surely. Kids rugby is played by combined
teams, egged on by parents screeching like hungry keas. 95%
of the children playing on a Saturday in club teams will
never participate in representative rugby, lured away by more
thrilling and challenging sports, like hockey, soccer, and
the "Lycra Look at me" sports like cycling They have no
connection between themselves and what happens at Carisbrook.
They cannot see the path taken by club members before them.
Submitted by Ray Macleod on Sun, 08/03/2009 - 12:06pm.
Mr Reid needs to start with the managment performance and a
history of poor governance. He doesn't have my suppport
simply because his firm is underperforming he has to provide
a service we will choose over others that we elect to spend
our discretionary dollar on. Clean out the directors and hold
the management to account. I am sure there are plently of
good players who would love to play for the Highlanders and
good coaches too for that matter. Why don't they Mr Reid?
Answer that and I may return but stop blaming the public for
deserting you and start looking for answers by examaning your
own performance. Whinging to your market about your lack of
custom is not a good look.
Submitted by sullimander on Sat, 07/03/2009 - 5:00pm.
How many of those players were from Otago? Most of them came
here for Uni and adopted Otago because there was a city who
supported them. But now there is a whole heap of negative
oldies who are still whinging about proffesionalism. How long
have other sports been pro and have none of these problems? I
just wish rugby went pro earlier so I wouldn't have to listen
to all these old cronies pining for something that isn't
going to come back. If the Highlanders go Otago rugby will go
too, which will probably leave Dunedin to slowly fade in most
peoples memories as a place that had a team that punched
above their weight but gave up when the going got too tough.
At least I'll be able to adopt Southland, who'll survive.
I was overseas when super rugby and professional rugby
started, so have never seen the Highlanders as my team. I've
been back in Dunedin for 2 years now and see no reason why
that should change. The whole concept of a franchise just
lacks passion and identity, so the executives are up against
it. They are grasping at straws when they mention Otago's
rugby tradition because in days of old rugby was the only
thing and the Otago team only played a handful of games in a
season. Now there's so much more to do and far too much
soul-less rugby which is of real interest to only a
few.
Dunedin hasn't really grown in population since I was a kid,
while the rest of NZ has grown - so over time we have moved
from being the major force to essentially a minor community.
Places like Auckland are not necessarily more interested in
Super 14, it's just that they only need a very small
percentage of the population to make it viable.
Dare I say it, but Otago rugby is unlikely to ever recapture
it's former glory. In reality, professionaly rugby has
undone. In the past Otago has benefitted from very talented
students who were close to or of All Black quality. Those
individuals now go straight into professional rugby.
As the owners of the Highlanders franchise, the ORFU need to
understand if you want public support there needs to be a
value proposition that will get people in the gate.
A value proposition that is better than the
competitors.
Otago Rugby supporters have been looking for the season of
all seasons since the early to mid nineties. Remember the
capacity crowds at NPC games in the 80's and 90's. It simply
hasn't been there.
We had players and coaches who were revered globally not just
locally. Lauded by the general public all over the world, not
just die hard Otago Rugby fans.
The difference between now and back then is not around TV or
how much discretionary income is available, but the paying
public wanted to see these guys play in the flesh and
blood.
The Stadium is a good start, but we need value in our
Rugby/Sport. We need players that will attract the public's
interest. The reality is these guys now cost big money which
means the ORFU needs a source of revenue other than the rugby
fans living in Otago.
Some thought could be given to an alignment with a sporting
powerhouse; using ManU as an example. They have developed a
global marketing machine, how?
They have players like we used to have. Players whose names
are known in most households of sporting nations.
Submitted by pgdawson on Sat, 07/03/2009 - 1:57am.
I think this poll question is poorly written and so will not
reflect the opinions clearly of those who vote in it. Voting
No in the poll could mean "No, I am not worried (because I do
not think it will happen)" which is what I immediately
thought the question referred to when I read it, but it can
also mean "No I'm not worried (because I don't care if we
lose the team or not)".
Ah, but you overlook the fact that the new stadium is
multi-purpose, and rugby is only one use. How do we know
this? Because Malcolm Farry has said so. To date he has
chosen to keep the other uses a secret, but it must be true,
because Malcolm only tells the truth about the stadium;
particularly over matters such as absolute deadlines and
guaranteed maximums, and no doubt unidentified secret uses.
So the dropping attendance at rugby matches doesn't matter a
hoot. Anyway with a new stadium rugby attendance will
skyrocket. And how do we know that? Because Willy Lose on his
radio programme identified Carisbrook as the reason for poor
attendance. "You wouldn't go to a new movie in an old
theatre' was his staggering rationale for the comment to a
caller.
Submitted by Ian Smith on Fri, 06/03/2009 - 12:14pm.
The 'Highlanders'/'Otago' connection has been lost, probably
for ever. Rugby flourished for as long as I am able to
remember, on a close identification with 'Otago', the
province. The age of professionaism has all but broken that
linkage completely, and no amount of garish and expensive
promotional advertising will be capable of restoring it. That
is what the 'money-men' seem to be incapable of taking into
account. To do away with Carisbrook', its traditions and
memories, then to even consider that a 'Carisbrook' display
in the proposed edifice is any sort of worthy substitute,
shows just how far out-of-touch our leaders are. That
proposal is nothing short of a gratuitous insult.
Furthermore, I find even the title 'Carisbrook Stadium Trust'
to be offensive, since the first move of that body was to
effectively kneecap the very rugby venue which it had seen
fit to incorporate into its rather grandiose title.
Finally, but it's worth mentioning, the city of Dunedin was
settled, in-the-main, by immigrants from the 'border' and
'lowland' areas of Scotland, so even the title of
'Highlanders' is misleading. It's just that 'Lowlanders'
doesn't have quite the same 'ring' about it, does it?
As Peter Chin pointed out on TV some time ago, it would make
the Stadium more marginal.
There is a complete denial of this statement in the Council
since not one member has taken any notice of Peter Chin's
statement.
Do they really know what they are doing, taking this project
on when there is so little interest in the Highlanders? The
winning streak of this team is not exactly well known and to
be frank, having this group of dubious rugby players as a
draw card for the stadium is to say the least, being
extremely optimistic.
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