"I would hazard to say that we [rugby types] are paying our
way, otherwise how can the Highlanders record a
profit?" Not teaching accountancy to Japanese students
are you, dunedinboyINjapan? I
would hazard to say that we [ratepayersINdunedin]
enable the Highlanders to record a profit by
subsidising them by an eyewatering amount. They're
outstanding in their ability to get their expenses paid by
others and keeping the takings to themselves.
Steve: I wouldn't say there's no glass at all, I think that
our empty glasses are more due to the guy from Japan and all
his rugby wowser mates who keep coming over to our table and
drinking from them rather than buying a round for their own
table. Mind you these are also the same bunch of guys who
originally offered to buy a few rounds for the bar back at
the beginning but then quietly sit there on their hands
whistling looking the other way whenever anyone mentions
The real problem is with the professional for-profit rugby
community - it's way past time they became responsible for
making good on their promises about their rugby stadium, our
no nothing council believed all those false promises about
raising private funds and the ability for the rugby stadium
to run at a profit - we all saw the full page ad promising it
all in the ODT, but never bothered to get it in writing,
because they believed they were honourable men, more fool
The issue is that of the incredible almost $650 million in
consolidated debt carried by the DCC almost one third is due
to the Stadium. By any measure that is far more than any
service or public amenity would cost by many millions. The
contribution just keeps increasing, an additional $20 million
over 10 years just signed off on. We are fortunate that
interest rates are so low but this will not last for ever.
The burgeoning debt and endless increased rate payer
contributions toward the Stadium are almost like the
Emperor's new clothes to some. It's almost as if they are
happy to keep paying more no-matter how much it is. Rugby
tickets ought to be $300 a piece or more, one wonders if then
they might actually understand the sheer scale of the problem
The problem is that The Highlanders are not paying anywhere
near what should be the real going rate for hiring the
stadium. That is where the discrepency comes into the
equation. If in fact Rugby was paying its way why, would yet
another $2 million per annum be needed from ratepayers on top
of the millions already being sunk into FSB? It is a purpose
built rugby stadium, not a concert venue as we now know, not
a car boot sales park, it is a Rugby Stadium. One which is
costing far more than any game or activity is worth to this
or any community.
@duneinboyINjapan: I think you seem to be ignoring the fact
that the stadium was built on empty promises And in the
case of the ORFU, empty wallets.
The ratepayer subsidises a lot of other activity in the city
(arts and culture, sports grounds, parks and reserves) but we
all know they have been there for all and sundry for a very,
very long time. The stadium is for one primary purpose only,
to glorify the excess that is professional rugby and the vain
that prop it up.
The NZRU makes a massive profit because of the All Blacks,
sponsorship and the massive discounts from the likes of DVML
because DVML, DCC and a bunch of self interested,
very wealthy people are scared the All Blacks won't
play here anymore. They said that about Carisbrook was not up
to par yet the All Blacks played there.
The Highlanders only make a profit because of the very
generous 'discount' this city gives to rugby to maintain the
illusion that regional rugby is important to the country as a
The ORFU only makes a profit because it doesn't have to pay
it's administrative, promotional and some other costs
because the ratepayer does this for them via the subsidies to
DVML can't make a true profit because we keep absorbing their
losses in one form or another.
Rugby is just another of the worst kind of beneficiary -
the coporate bludger.
Firstly, an error in my earlier post: I meant to say, "I've
never encountered a bigger bunch of 'glass half empty' types
as represented by the Stadium naysayers".
But, in honesty, I'm now leaning toward a 'glass completely
empty' point of view.
I would hazard to say that we [rugby types] are paying our
way, otherwise how can the Highlanders record a profit?
Yes, that's right, I'm referring to revenue from tickets.
Game after game, a portion of our hard earned wage is set
aside for the big day. Anywhere from $25 for a single adult,
or more with family in tow.
Mind you, I'm happy for ratepayers to pick up the cost of my
expenses at the gate if you're offering!
Then I'll graciously tolerate your grumblings with a happy
heart and an open mind.
From an earlier ODT report, "Otago and Southland [rugby
unions] would want to be partners in a deal [to buy into the
may struggle to come up with any money to invest." Just leave
that to the DCC to subsidise the franchise.