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David Bain told a friend about his "deja vu" episodes and that "something horrible is going to happen," according to evidence at his murder trial today.
Bain, who has denied charges of murdering his parents and three siblings at their family home in Every Street, Dunedin, in June 1994, told the friend that he had seen things before and thought it was too difficult to find someone to understand deja vu to get counselling about it.
The woman, who has name suppression, said in the High Court at Christchurch that Bain told her that his mother, Margaret, was planning a sanctuary with a peace centre or meditation centre on her property.
It was going to have seven bedrooms for family and guests, and would be closed off from the outside world.
He said his father, Robin, was not wanted around the house, and his sister Laniet had left home because she stuck up for Robin and it made it difficult for her to be there, she said.
After the killings, the woman took Bain to the beach for a walk.
When the other person who went with them couldn't hear her, she asked Bain if the murder of his family was the something horrible he had seen and he said yes.
She said he then took two steps forward, dropped to his knees, and was holding his stomach and dry sobbing.
She said he was in great anguish and asked if he could be left alone for a walk.
While waiting for him to return she heard him shouting and screaming.
He said that he didn't know what he could say to police to make them believe he didn't do it, and another time told her, "I didn't do it".
She said he showed her some scratches on his chest, and said he didn't remember when he got them.
She told defence counsel, Michael Reed QC, the scratches resembled as if a child fell off a bicycle and grazed his leg. They were not four distinct finger lines.
Mr Reed told her that on the day of the murders Bain had a full body search and there were no scratches on him then.
Legal argument took place after the jury had been sent home at 3pm and will continue tomorrow until the jury has been asked to be back at 11.45am.