Conversion to trolley bus service would cost millions

Converting Dunedin's passenger bus fleets to electric trolley buses could cost many millions of dollars - and ratepayers, rather than public transport users, might have to foot the bill, insiders suggest.

The Dunedin City Council-commissioned Peak Oil Vulnerability Analysis Report says the council must take a "critical leadership role" and take the city from oil-dependent transport to modes based on sustainable, renewable energy.

It recommends at least 50km of electric trolley bus routes be developed and says converting to electric buses or trolleys would lead to a direct reduction in fuel demand and provide an increasingly affordable alternative when fuel price spikes bite.

It also noted the people of Dunedin "are not happy with the current bus service".

Otago Regional councillor and Passenger Transport Working Group co-chairman Michael Deaker welcomed the report but warned it had "big dollar signs written all over it".

He doubted whether the Government would contribute and expected lines or rails to be provided and owned by one or both of the councils; he could not imagine private companies already operating on tight margins taking the risk on infrastructure that would take years to pay for itself.

Previous work showed it would cost about $8 million to have light rail from the botanic garden to the Exchange.

Cr Deaker imagined the cost of converting 50km of routes to trolley buses would be "significant".

Cr Deaker said the report might encourage more discussion of alternatives, such as electric buses already used in the likes of Christchurch.

It might also revive calls for the city to reassume responsibility for public transport.

Dunedin Passenger Transport director Kane Baas said no operator "in their right mind" would wear the cost of building the infrastructure to run an electric trolley service.

The lines would have to be installed and owned by the council and the routes would have to be tendered in the same way as they were in Wellington.

It all meant ratepayers would bear the cost of a service that would cost "many, many millions" to provide, before the council gave the current services a fighting chance.

"If the council wants to prepare for peak oil, if it wants to encourage more people on to public transport right now, then it should have a long, hard look at what it charges for inner city parking.

"If it wants to get people out of cars and into public transport, it should do what it can to give the current situation a chance - that will show us how much people will use public transport."

Dunedin Cablecar Trust spokesman Phil Cole was unsure how electric trolley buses would handle steep streets but believed the city was ready to start talking about an integrated public transport system of trolleys and light rail.

Moving to fixed-line, fixed-route services would make it easier to plan for, and encourage the development of, the urban villages recommended in the report.

It would also recognise public transport was integral to city infrastructure, and a vital social service.

Whatever happened, the councils needed to actively consult their ratepayers: the report said many were unhappy with the current bus services, and the same mistakes must not be made again, Mr Cole said.

The report also said surveys in Dunedin and outlying surrounding areas in August showed residents would consider the bus as an alternative to car trips for nearly 30% of travel kilometres.

It also found many people were not happy with the present bus services.

stu.oldham@odt.co.nz

Will cost many millions?

Well, well, why is it that the DCC decided to spend $380 million or so on a stadium which will be useless once peak oil hits?
The money would have been far better spent on a reliable and cost-efficient public transport system.
The council and government are too short sighted to see what we really need in this country.
Peak oil will mean difficult times ahead unless we prepare now and spend our money on the right things. Rail, not roads. Trolley buses, not stadiums, Carisbrook could have been upgraded for half the price and that would have left enough money in the jar for a full public transport system.

Trollies

How short people' memories are Mike. Well last time I saw trolley buses in Dunedin I think was the late 60s. Someone can correct me if I am wrong. Time is marching on Mike.
I am not worried one way or the other just have an efficient, public transport system for the city.

From what I heard...

...there was a dislike by the council of the day, and just quietly, it was told to me that any repairs on a diesel bus were to be booked onto one of the trolley fleet, to make them look really expensive, and then justify axing them, which they succeeded in doing in April 1982.
Whilst there were high overheads, if you'll excuse the pun, the buses themselves were near on maintenance free electrically, and as is mentioned on another post here, they had all the power and speed on the hills too. It's like an electric locomotive, which usually has twice or three times the horsepower than a regular diesel electric of the same size and weight.
A very clean and efficient form of transport propulsion, and modern ones could be fitted with regenerative (electric) braking, meaning they can actually turn their electric motors into a generator while doing down grade, connect it to a large resistor to retard the speed of the bus down longer grades (such as Taieri Road from Wakari), and feed power back into the grid.
Trams used to do this in Auckland, and the North Island Main Trunk electric locos do this. Though power companies don't like having to issue rebates for power returned to them, which they term as ‘dirty power'. Money talks...

Disdvantages to change now

If trolley buses were still in use, they should be retained. But they aren't in use.
The high capital cost of purchasing a new fleet, re-training drivers and erecting the electric catenary and feeder stations means changing from diesel buses is not cost-effective.
Electric catenary festooned along the streets is also quite unattractive and a hazard to some vehicles and building maintenance.
If money is available for public transport, reinstating the Mornington cable car line makes more sense and complements the attractions of the city. Dunedin was the first city outside the US to have cable cars. Make the city distinctive, not the same as others.

 

Buses

No money for public needs to save petrol and fuel and emissions, but we have the stadium, tho' don't we? And this is what we have been on about. When real needs arise, we haven't got the money because like foolish children, we have spent it all on sweets. Sell the thing. Get our money back and this time use it wisely.

Oh well back to the future

Oh well back to the future with trolley buses. Why were they ever done away with, can anyone remember?

Trolleys on hills

Unsure if electric trolley buses can handle the hills? How short people's memories are - the trolley buses used to sail up the hills - electric motors have great torque across their operating ranges - San Francisco uses them too, just like they use cable car on the really steep ones.

The fixtures for the trolley wires are still hanging off the Roslyn overbridge, still waiting for their return. It was a sad day when we replaced our trolleys with the slow diesels that slowly trundle up the hills blowing black clouds of smoke.

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