Justice Ian Binnie interviewed David Bain at Auckland's
Copthorne Hotel over a single day in July. Here are several
excerpts from an interview which took 113 pages to record.
Q. It was said that she [family friend Joanna Dunn] would
relate that your mother, this is some 25 years earlier, had
been concerned that your father's mental state was such that
he might get a gun and shoot everybody. Does that anecdote
ring a bell? Were you ever to hear such a thing?
It doesn't ring a bell and I mean I'm surprised that anyone
would say that of my father because, I mean, contrary to, you
know, how things have proceeded through the trials and so on,
I've respected my father. I still do and the man that I knew,
not the man that committed these things, but the man that I
knew, would never have harmed his family. I mean that's a
strong statement to state, to say right now in this sort of a
situation knowing that, you know, my innocence, it depends on
proving my father actually did commit these crimes but I'm
not saying the man who committed these crimes was my father
in the mental state.
Q. Did you notice anything up to the 20th of June that
would indicate to you, even with the benefit of hindsight,
that there was some sexual relation between your father and
If I look back and see the stress signs, see the, the fact
that you know, Laniet even went out to live with you know,
Dad at Taieri Mouth. Um, the fact that Dad would actually go
to, um, to her flat where she stayed and paid her rent, you
He supported her in those, in those instances. There weren't
things I was aware of or ever really paid any attention to at
the time but - so if you think, asking in hindsight, yes I
can see some of those things that might be indicative.
Q. And can you just briefly describe what you saw?
I saw [Margaret Bain] propped up [inaudible] several pillows,
I wouldn't say it was a sleeping position, it was just - she
was slightly elevated and, um, ah, I just remember the, you
know, there was blood on her face, um, just purple in this,
in the eye, well, of the eyelid.
The pathologists say it is more likely they were closed?
It, it, it's that image I have is only through trauma and I
believe because now I'm sorry the images that I have of my
family are so distorted that, as in, you know, I sometimes if
I'm recalling a scene, I see a photo from the evidence, other
times if I'm recalling a scene, it's something that has come
from a dream that I've had.
Q. Why did it immediately strike you [Robin Bain] was
Um , I don't know other than - sorry I've gotta go back into
that place in my memory. On entering the room, I - was only
the, the impressions that I have now is that I mean it was,
he was still, also, I don't even have a picture in my mind of
what I saw.
Q. Would you - there's no compulsion to make a statement.
I just want the - you to be clear that the opportunity is
there should you wish to say something.
The only thing I can reiterate is that these five members of
my family were my life. They were part of who I was. We were
extremely close. We all loved each other dearly. The last
thing that I could possibly have done is to take their lives.
I find it difficult hurting an animal, but to take a person's
life, let alone my own family's life is unimaginable and not
only have I served 13 years in prison for doing this, I've
also served the so-called sentence of being labelled a
convicted killer and a murderer and you know, a monster, and
being told on a daily basis that I'm a psychopath and I was
psychotic and all these various, horrible, you know,
psychiatric issues and all this ...
I've had all of this to deal with and so the pain and the
anguish that I have felt has been, you know, from the
original mourning has been compounded time and time again. I
want to assure you that the last thing I could have done if
we strip away all those immaterial aspects of things and all
the names I've been called, the last thing that I should be
called is a murderer 'cos I did not kill my family.