Defibrillators easy to find by phone

New World Centre City Dunedin manager Tony Watts with one of the defibrillators that are mapped on smartphone applications. Photo by Peter McIntosh.
New World Centre City Dunedin manager Tony Watts with one of the defibrillators that are mapped on smartphone applications. Photo by Peter McIntosh.
Life-saving defibrillators are sitting idle as people nearby needlessly die, says the creator of a defibrillator locator.

AED Locations founder Gareth Jenkin said he had taught thousands of people how to use an automated external defibrillator (AED) when working as a resuscitation co-ordinator at Auckland City Hospital, but could not give his students information on where to find one.

Many people died because a defibrillator could not be found, he said.

''There's no point in people dying when a potential piece of life-saving equipment is 50m away. And that happens regularly. We need to make people aware of where they are.''

He had the idea to build a website to locate a defibrillator but had no money or knowledge to build it.

But Able Technology heard of his vision and built Mr Jenkin the website at no charge.

Gareth Jenkin
Gareth Jenkin
At www.aedlocations.co.nz, 2500 defibrillator locations are mapped and a smartphone application can locate the nearest defibrillator using GPS.

In an emergency, people should dial 111 and then use the application on their smartphone, which included a function to speed dial the defibrillator location so it could be rushed to the emergency, he said.

Any defibrillator owners should contact him with the locations because the larger the database, the more chance a life could be saved.

''Cardiac arrests were happening in public buildings and the defib was not used because nobody knew it was there.''

He entered about 35 new defibrillator locations a week, he said.

Ideally, people would familiarise themselves with defibrillator locations before they were needed in an emergency, he said.

There were three cardiac arrests in Auckland last year where a defibrillator was in the same building and not used.

''People will buy a defibrillator and put [it] in a Harry Potter cupboard with no signage.''

Defibrillators were easy to operate and it instructed the user how to deliver a shock, he said.

An American study found an untrained 11-year-old child could deliver the first shock in 90 seconds and a paramedic in 67 seconds, he said.

His 6-year-old niece could deliver a shock in 60 seconds, he said.

''You just switch it on and it tells you what to do. We need to demystify how difficult these machines are to use.''

People often contacted him to give money, he said.

''I don't need money. It's all done for love. Exposure is what we need.''

St John Dunedin operations team manager Doug Third said the chances of survival after cardiac arrest reduced 20% every minute there was no defibrillator.

The cardiac arrest was like a ''riot'' of random electrical activity in the heart, which needed a shock from a defibrillator to restart a normal heartbeat, Mr Third said.

If a defibrillator was not located in five minutes, the heart muscle would slowly die and stop, he said.

- shawn.mcavinue@odt.co.nz

Time for a refresher

"I don't believe that someone who
is untrained to use a defibrillator should go anywhere near
it"

I would suggest that bronwynh needs an update and doesn't really know how an AED works. CPR and airway care are important but defibrillation is essential.  

During teaching sessions I have watched students deliver a shock having
done nothing but open the bag and press the ON button. Instructions are then
spoken by the machine. A shock is not delivered unless the patient is in a shockable rhythm. The machine decides the voltage, not the user.

CPR without early defibrillation is futile. The entire point of community AEDs is that people do not 'wait until someone who knows what they are doing arrives' because this is the attitude that sees people die time and again.

I would happily let an 11-year-old take charge if no one else was prepared to  and they are probably more likely to see that adults are standing back doing nothing and get things started. I would encourage everyone to learn more about AEDs so that they help use one if the need arises. They really are easy to use, but if you have practised then it'll be even easier. May you never have to use it!

AEDs give us a chance

What a great idea to have the database and phone app.

Ii agree in part with bronwyn, AEDs are just one tool in the chain of survival, and the use of CPR is paramount to the survival. The more people trained in CPR the better our chances are.

AEDs are safe. You absolutely cannot shock anyone, unless they are in a fibrilating rhythm..the machine determines if it's going to shock or not. All us mere mortals have to do is push the button on advisement from the AED

So what's your take on this,  would you rather die cause you didn't want an 11 year old to use the AED?

Give 11 year olds credit, they are more technologically advanced than most of us. I am a practising paramedic, I have seen the effects of AEDs, and they are worth their weight in gold.

Let's get behind this, and push it to the limits, and of course the training that goes with it, as in CPR. Combined they are lifesavers.

 

 

 

 

 

Defibrillators

This is a very worthwhile project making the location of defibrillators more accessible. However, it would be more worthwhile to educate people about the importance of learning first aid and CPR. Because that is what will potentially save more lives, not a defibrillator. Such a machine will only work when the heart is fibrillating (fluttering); it will not work when we have what is known as a 'flat line' (on telly) when the heart has stopped completely in cardiac arrest. However, CPR will keep a person alive until someone who knows what they are doing arrives. I don't believe that someone who is untrained to use a defibrillator should go anywhere near it.

So please don't infer that a 11-year-old child is safe with a defibrillator - he or she is not! Too many zaps, and zaps at the incorrect voltage will only cause damage to the person, whereas CPR may actually save them. Generally a defibrillator needs to be used in combination with the ABCs and CPR - no point in starting the heart if the person chokes on their vomit because no-one knew to put them in the recovery position or check for foreign objects lodged in their trachea. Such random use could also cause lasting psychological damage to the person trying to save the victim, I would imagine.  Imagine the guilt. So if you really want to help, please encourage people to attend a first aid course and learn CPR. 

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