Carisbrook difficult to value

Athol StephensA reasonable figure for the sale of Carisbrook is proving difficult to pin down, but a reported estimate of $4 million from a property valuer has been dismissed as too low.

It emerged this week the stadium will be sold to the Dunedin City Council in the next few weeks for $7 million, and while he was unwilling to confirm the figure, council finance and corporate support general manager Athol Stephens said yesterday the money would have to be borrowed.

The cost of buying Carisbrook is not included in the $198 million the council has promised the new stadium will cost.

But the local authority may be able to make the money back when it sells the land, Mr Stephens said, depending on what option is chosen for its use.

Property developers spoken to yesterday were unwilling to go on the record with a price.

However, the general reaction to a figure of $4 million, reported as a ballpark figure for the stadium by an un-named property developer, was too low, with those contacted saying it would be a very good buy at that price.

Mr Stephens also questioned the figures, and said at such a price "we'd take it today".

Asked about the possibilities of money being made from the sale of Carisbrook, he said no research had been done so far on the issue.

Various ideas had been floated, including using it, instead of Bathgate Park, for playing fields, and using Bathgate Park for development.

Carisbrook, though, was already zoned industrial, was flat, had good services and good access.

"Above all, it's freehold.

"If no other purposes were intended for it, it should be reasonably sellable."

There could be a surplus from a sale, above what had been paid, although it could take time to realise, depending on the option.

Mr Stephens said the original deal for Carisbrook was that all the rugby union's debts would be repaid from the proceeds of the sale of the land, after it was sold to the council for a nominal sum.

Not only would the rugby union's and the council's debt be repaid, there was to have been be $5 million left over.

That figure was based on a Carisbrook Stadium Trust estimate of the land being bought for a nominal sum, and sold for $11 million, something council staff questioned at the time, he said.

"We always wondered if it would be possible to get $5 million [profit]."

That would have reduced the cost of the land at the new stadium, he said, but that was now apparently not the case.

The Otago Rugby Football Union (ORFU) last year owed $2 million to the city council and $4 million to the Bank of New Zealand.

An Official Information Act request by the Otago Daily Times last year resulted in the council confirming the ORFU's $2 million loan to the council had been extended to June 30 this year.

Quotable Value New Zealand did its last valuation of Dunedin properties, used by the council to set rates, in 2007, and those valuations came into effect for ratepayers in the middle of last year.

For Carisbrook, the capital value for the stadium was $16.2 million, but the land value was only $2.7 million.

That means the cost of the buildings on the land was estimated at $13.5 million, but they have at best limited use for anything other than a stadium, and ratings valuations do not necessarily reflect market prices.

Facts

There would only be lost rates income if Carisbrook was rated. Like other sporting facilities in the city, Carisbrook is not rated.

Not rated?

Really? It's not rated? But it's a private for-profit business, not really any different than a movie theatre - except that it probably uses an awful lot of free water - what a rort! How on earth did they end up owing us $2M if it wasn't back rates?

More facts

Back in the real world, Carisbrook is owned by the ORFU, which is not a private for-profit business, but an incorporated society. Hate to break it to you, but there is even the possibility that they are tax exempt as well. FYI -- http://www.societies.govt.nz/cms/incorporated-societies/learn-about-incorporated-societies/what-are-the-differences-betw...

Stadium costs

Thanks for that link - looking at the ORFU's financial statement is pretty interesting - they lost $2M over the last 2 years - Their largest cost 'rugby development' is covered by sponsorships/donations/grants - and they make more on matches than Carisbrook costs to run (by $1.8M). The big killer seems to be the $1.5M "Administration Expenses". Carisbrook apparently only costs $630k a year to run - I assume that's what they are expecting to pay the DCC to rent the new stadium - someone's going to be in for a big surprise

Not just cost of land

If you're paying for Carisbrook it's not just the cost of the land, it's also the cost of the improvements. Except that you can't use them for anything so they are a liability, not an asset. Instead you have to pay to have everything demolished, carted away and disposed of - it will cost millions - if the city buys it it also has to take into consideration the short term loss of rates income for the land. The land may be worth more than $4M but the whole is worth far less than the land value.

 

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