Safety fears close Sammy's

Discussing the enforced closure yesterday of Dunedin nightspot Sammy's are (from left) Cave Sessions 2010 organiser David Booth, Sammy's managing director Sam Carroll and event manager Andrew Crone.
Discussing the enforced closure yesterday of Dunedin nightspot Sammy's are (from left) Cave Sessions 2010 organiser David Booth, Sammy's managing director Sam Carroll and event manager Andrew Crone.
Dunedin nightspot Sammy's has been ordered to close immediately, after being condemned by the New Zealand Fire Service as a potential deathtrap.

The order - by the Dunedin City Council, based on Fire Service advice - was confirmed yesterday, taking with it plans for last night's "Cave Rave" dub/roots music event which had been relocated from Long Beach.

Sammy's managing director Sam Carroll, building owner Sam Chin and Cave Sessions 2010 organiser David Booth all reacted with a mixture of shock, anger and frustration when contacted late yesterday afternoon.

Mr Carroll said he was now weighing up his future in Dunedin, and it was "highly likely" he would move to Auckland and take with him "almost everything that makes [Sammy's] function".

Sammy's. Photos by Jane Dawber.
Sammy's. Photos by Jane Dawber.
Mr Chin said he would consult family members - who shared ownership - before deciding the building's future, but they might seek to have it demolished.

Mr Booth said he faced losses of between $15,000 and $30,000 and feared the city had lost "one of its premier venues".

Dunedin Deputy Chief Fire Officer Trevor Tilyard defended the closure, which came after he read of plans by the "cave rave" organisers to bring hundreds of people to the venue for the event.

He and council staff had visited the venue on Thursday and found emergency lighting, fire detection and warning systems were inadequate.

Three of four fire exits were also blocked by furniture, rubbish, combustible items, a car and 600 litres of kerosene in three drums, which did not appear to have been placed there recently, he said.

Sammy's staff also lacked knowledge of evacuation plans and could not find manual fire alarms when asked, he said.

He considered Sammy's "absolutely the worst" and most dangerous of Dunedin's large-crowd venues, and said the Fire Service had raised concerns about the building with the council over several years.

"We consider if there was a fire in there, while there were 400 people in it ... we are almost certain there would be deaths and injuries.

"There comes a point where we have got to say to the city council 'enough is enough - this is beyond the pale'.

See through again

RIP Sammy’s, the latest victim. I remember getting my photo taken out the front of there as a high school lad in 1985 with the 80's kiwi band, the Mockers. Long gone good old days.

Anyway!In the normal process of a case like this, the owners would have had an inspection and been given reasonable warning to take steps to sort the place out within a certain time. Some more doable measures would need to be acted on immediately eg more fire extinguishers, then more long term measures. This is a process common to most bureaucratic outfits, from cars through buildings to ships, that have to be retrofitted to meet new codes by a certain time, but not immediately.

Then the owners have a reasonable amount of time to meet the new requirements. Needless to say, this should have been the case here. But to walk in with no warning and shut them down, just as some big events were nigh? Who cares that a man's livelihood has been bowled over like that, and a long standing venue that possesses history and character might get knocked over?

But indeed, as has been mentioned elsewhere, there’s a pervading perniciousness on doing away with other venues. This was a cunning wee ploy to knock out competition for the stadium. It's the one of few times the DCC's actions are clear as crystal, as much as creating extra little ways of gathering revenue for it.

This town has truly become 'resident evil', sinking into a new dark abyss. Yes, it had a lot more going for it when I had that pic taken with the Mockers all those years ago.

Sammy's closure

Oh boy. This situation smells like many other acts of this bureaucracy in Dunedin. If Sammy's is pulled down, how many other venues will be left in Dunedin that can accommodate large numbers? The Regent is under threat, Sammy's may go,but wait.
A new venue is even now being constructed. Amazing timing. The only large number venues in Dunedin will be the Town Hall, Edgar Centre, Museum,and (gulp) the Colliseum, oops, stadium. Mmmmmmmmm? All owned by the DCC. If the Fire Service reported their concerns to the DCC about Sammy's, why did the DCC not follow up??

Mr Chin's obligations

I think you have missed the point of this discussion. The main complaint is the sudden withdrawal of approval to hold the event (less than two days), not Mr Chin's so called obligations of some twenty-five years ago when, amongst other things, smoke detectors were not invented. I remember venues such as this one and including Picture theatres all had a Fireman in attendance. I wonder what happened to them?

If Mr Chin decides to demolish the building as a result of this, I can imagine the outcry that would occur. This building should have been purchased by the DCC instead of the Regent Picture theatre given the historical significance of it and its location where there is ample parking and ease of access which is certainly not the case in the middle of the Octagon.

Shame to lose Sammy's but . . .

I love Sammy's and have had some great nights out there. I, too, think that to lose it will be a sad day for Dunedin, but had  been aware that staff didn't know where the fire alarms were, that the fire exits were blocked in one case with, wait for it...kerosene, I may not have felt so comfortable dancing the night away.

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Sammy's closure

This building should have been fire rated long before the Deputy "read" about it in the newspapers. It would not have created this debacle of cancelling an event less than two days before the event and once again making Dunedin the laughing stock of New Zealand. 

The statement made by the Deputy that “He considered Sammy's "absolutely the worst" and most dangerous of Dunedin's large-crowd venues, and said the Fire Service had raised concerns about the building with the council over several years” raises two very important questions.

One, why has it taken several years to force the Council to act? And two, if Sammy’s is the worst and most dangerous of its type in Dunedin we must conclude that other venues are also dangerous for people to gather in. If it is indeed fact then act on it immediately and highlight not only Sammy’s but the other venues you allude to that are not safe for the general public to gather in.

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Loss of income for Sammy's

The events that Sammy's will have to cancel because of this will be a serious loss of revenue for this great venue whose team works hard to bring Dunedin's music scene up to scratch.

Sammy's provides our city with a genuinely valuable service, and they have safely hosted many great gigs. The problems that were highlighted about fire safety, such as items blocking passageways, are easily remedied.

This along with a bit of extra staff training about fire procedures should have seen the venue deemed allowed to operate until further improvements such as extra smoke detectors etc. are made.

But now, instead of getting ready to go to an awesome event featuring a selection of some of Dunedin's best dance music producers and DJ's that my friends and I have been looking forward to for weeks, I'll be staying at home, wondering if the DCC even really cares about Dunedin being a fun, vibrant and healthy place to live, or if they truly do just want a beaurocratised rugby headed booze fuelled zombie town.

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The busyness of bureaucracy

After opening up one hundred and fourteen years ago and regularly being used successfully and safely as an entertainment venue since, all of a sudden this building is a potential deathtrap.

Mmmm me smells a rat here, yes the big fat busy bureaucracy rat. A very interesting article under the title "Die, Culture, Die" can be found on the ODT's home page, this should be read in conjunction with the above.

The busyness of bureaucracy appears to be alive and well in Dunedin. Next victim please.

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Sammy's closure

And that's how it's done in this town.

The property owner

Mr Chin should have known his obligations on purchase of the property and with any subsequent change of use or event held there.

Dunedin people and travelling entertainers and their crew must be guaranteed a safe venue. I'm surprised that paid event managers have also not done due diligence before booking the venue. 

Elizabeth Kerr
Dunedin

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