Bible-class stance dismays father

Jeff McClintock photographed his 7-year-old daughter Violet when he found her in the "naughty corner" during the Values in Action class at Red Beach School. Photo / Sarah Ivey A couple who took their daughter out of a school class based on the Bible were dismayed to find her left alone in a classroom "naughty corner" with a book during the 35-minute lesson.

Jeff McClintock posted a photograph of his 7-year-old daughter Violet on the Secular Education Network Facebook page showing the little girl kneeling on the floor next to a rubbish bin as she read the book, at Red Beach School, Auckland.

Mr McClintock said he was told the school had an alternative programme for children who opted out of the weekly Values in Action class.

When he arrived one day to check on her he found her in the corner children are sent to for being naughty.

"Last year my daughter spent a total of 4.5 days sitting in this corner.

"Also bear in mind she's in earshot of her friends singing, doing fun activities and hearing stories."

He said that his daughter had "promised not to be naughty again" when she returned home after one of the opt-out sessions.

Mr McClintock and his wife took a stand against the class when as a 5-year-old Violet began asking if she could "meet God".

"We went along to have a look and realised it was run by very devout Christians."

He said although the school asked parents for permission for their children to learn Values in Action, he said it was not clear until he pressed the previous principal and board of trustees who agreed it was "religious instruction".

That was more than three years after a 2008 Education Review Office report advised the board to clarify exactly what the class was.

More than 40 per cent of state schools offer Bible studies with about 2000 untrained volunteer teachers from outside the school.

The classes must not be held in school hours but schools can circumvent the law by "closing" the classroom for the duration of the studies, which usually last up to 30 minutes.

The McClintocks have complained to the Ombudsman, saying the school is not meeting requirements around education hours because of time allocated for the Bible studies classes.

Mr McClintock now takes Violet out of the classroom corner once a week for a walk while Values in Action is taught.

Red Beach School principal Julie Hepburn and board of trustees chairman Malcolm Haggerty did not return Herald messages. A spokeswoman for Values In Action said they did not want to comment.

The rules

A state school can choose whether to include religious classes as part of its curriculum.

School boards do not have to notify parents on choosing to include religious classes, but most schools discuss the issue with parents.

A parent can have their child "opt out" of classes.

It is the school board's responsibility to come up with an alternative arrangement for students who opt out.

No other religious instruction can take place at a secular school.

The Education Act 1964


Freedom of belief

Dagg, you have listed pre Reformation events, so countless Protestant atrocities are not covered. The historical Church was also the State, which explains, not excuses, medieval events. Joan of Arc's trial and execution was orchestrated by the English, for political reasons. Grover has a well argued point: shouldn't parents have a say in the values education of their children? But it must be learning, not indoctrination.

Nothing positive about historical Christianity

grover: "There are no positive texts relating to historical Christianity"

Of course not!  Even after the large amounts of cleansing you still have some extremely nasty events. The treatment of Joan of Arc, the massacre of the cathars where the term "Kill them all, God will know His own" arose.

There is also all the burning at the stakes, the boiling in oil and that is just a start. Just look at what the church did to Galileo and others.


GJ Philip: My children have to withstand a constant barrage of pseudo social-studies topics that are exclusively about how terrible Christianity is. There are no positive texts relating to historical Christianity anywhere in state schools, which contrasts starkly with, for example in-depth favourable texts about other religions and the psuedo-religion evolution.
My point is that children with traditional moral values are also punished by what passes for our education system.
Furthermore, evolutionary content makes dogmatic statements about morality, as in James Dean's movie 'Rebel Without a  Cause',  statements which are harmful to children, as the movie points out.

The shunning

Grover, the issue is that the child is being effectively punished, not part of the class. If that is a religious value, it is not a Christian one. I very much doubt that evolution, witchcraft or spiritism are taught at the primary level. Do you mean Social Studies? State 'secular' is becoming tokenist. Such instruction is determinedly Protestant, as well.

Evolution is not religion

grover:  Evolution is part of science and as such changes as new things are found.  Religion is dogma and the ideas are locked into place with no new ideas allowed.

At least now apart from Italy scientists can explore new ideas without being persecuted.

religious instruction?

GJ Philip: It's a weird world. Evolution is the dominant religious movement of our day and it's taught in all classes at school with no permission asked.

Is evolution a religion? Ask anybody on the street about God and they'll likely say "I don't need  God, I believe in evolution" or words to that effect. Therefore evolution is a substitute religion.

Alternately witchcraft or also Maori spiritism: All taught freely as part of NZ school curriculum and not optional at all.

Who said religion wasn't taught at school?

Who are they kidding? 

Christians taking over

The religious right are definitely taking over our education system, and those that are not for it are punished, including the teachers who don't belong to the club. 

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