'Mother', 'father' to go if gay marriage legal?

Steven Jones (C) and Jamous Lizzotte speak with Gabe Morte as they wait to receive marriage licenses at the City Hall in Portland, Maine on December 29, the day the state allowed same-sex couples to start marrying. REUTERS/Joel Page
Steven Jones (C) and Jamous Lizzotte speak with Gabe Morte as they wait to receive marriage licenses at the City Hall in Portland, Maine on December 29, the day the state allowed same-sex couples to start marrying. REUTERS/Joel Page

Terms such as mother, father, husband and wife could disappear from the law if gay marriage is legalised, MPs have been told.

Family First director Bob McCoskrie told the select committee considering Labour MP Louisa Wall's gay marriage bill that Spanish law had recently replaced the terms mother and father with Progenitor A and Progenitor B.

"The US State of Washington is to remove the terms husband and wife from divorce courts," he said.

"In France the words mother and father will be stripped from official documents,'' he added.

McCoskrie tabled 24,000 extra signatures to petition against the bill on top of 48,000 already presented at parliament.

"I see marriage as similar to the Treaty of Waitangi. It is historical. It is the foundation of our culture," he said.

"It certainly shouldn't be altered."

New Zealand Aids Foundation told the committee that countries with less discrimination against gay people have lower rates of HIV.

"The internalisation of homophobia leads to a devaluation of self and a reduction in the ability of gay, lesbian and transgender people to make positive decisions," said doctor Jason Myers of the foundation.

- Simon Collins of the New Zealand Herald

Dont speak to me of droits

Let's face it, our Latinate Anglo Norman legal heritage is passe. Ours is the only language that would countenance a "de facto brother in law".

Equal minus one = unequal

"...A gay relationship has the same rights as a married couple and they have Civil Unions," according to carleeee, employing a different mathematical system than the one in common use.

Straight people can be single, de-facto, Civilly United, or married.  Gay people can be all those except one:  "married".  And that means "NZ is an equal rights country as it is," according to carleeee.

What?

What's the AIDS foundation talking about homophobia for? It's an irrelevant point, a gay relationship has the same rights as a married couple and they have Civil Unions...where's the homophobia there?

Why do we need gay marriage just because other countries have it . . . NZ is an equal rights country as it is.

 

Ignorance

What a load of rubbish. Ignorance is rampant. Last time I looked, 'mother' was the person that gave birth to you, and father was the person whose sperm quickened Mum's egg. That is never going to be otherwise no matter who those two people are ''married'' to. Marriage is a legal document that states to the community that these two people want to be seen to be joined. Nothing to do with how babies come into the world. Get over it!

Another reason I hate politics

More scaremongering by bigoted politicians.

Since when are Mother, Father, Mum, Dad, etc only legal terms anyway? Who cares about what is on a few documents, this bill will not stop your kids calling you whatever name they always have.

And as for ‘certainly shouldn't be altered' - if something doesn't change with the times, then it simply becomes outdated.

Scaremongering rubbish

Firstly, Spain, France or the State of Washington might have valid legal reasons that aren't reported here for changing legal documents there. Overseas examples taken out of context don't prove anything, especially when they are vain attempts to find any form of validity to the opposition to marriage being made available to consenting adults of appropiate age.

Secondly, if this is the best argument Family First has against same sex marriage then the debate is already over, and we can all look forward to attending events where 2 consenting people of appropriate age can be married. 

 

Progenitor B's opinion

This is where I draw the line actually. I dont give two hoots about gay marriage and am probably more for it than against it. But this is where I draw the line, this is just blatant stupidity.

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