Kiwi killed by drone

A New Zealander was killed by a US drone attack in Yemen in November, it has been revealed.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade today confirmed the death of the New Zealander, believed to have died in a counter-terrorism operation in November.

"We do not propose to discuss the details of the operation. We never discuss the details of such activity,'' the spokesman said.

"There was no New Zealand involvement in, or prior awareness of, the operation.''

The Australian reported the New Zealander was a dual Australian citizen, and a "foot soldier'' for al-Qaeda in Yemen.

The ministry spokesman said next of kin had been informed, and media were asked to respect their privacy.

Last year Prime Minister John Key said during debate of the controversial amendment to the GCSB legislation that New Zealanders with links to al-Qaeda were known to be training in Yemen.

The man, who The Australian said went by the name Muslim bin John and fought under the alias Abu Suhaib al-Australi, was killed alongside another Australian citizen named as Christopher Harvard of Townsville.

They were reportedly killed in a US Predator drone strike on five al-Qaeda militants travelling in a convoy of cars in Yemen, The Australian said.

The incident happened on November 19 but their identities had only just come to light.

Prime Minister John Key said he had been advised that the New Zealander was in Yemen last year and had attended a terrorist training camp.

He was told that it was likely the man had been killed late in 2013, but it took some time to confirm this through DNA testing.

Mr Key was informed about the killing by New Zealand intelligence agencies but said he did not know where they got the information from.

The man was the subject of a New Zealand intelligence warrant.

The Prime Minister would not confirm the man's identity, but said it was not Mark Taylor, a New Zealander with links to al Qaeda.

He confirmed that the man was born in New Zealand and that his next of kin still lived here.

Mr Key said drone strikes were legitimate when countries were trying to contend with very dangerous situations and terrorists, without putting their own people in harm's way.

Asked whether the strike which killed the New Zealander was legitimate, he said: "I suspect so, given that three of the people killed were well known al Qaeda operatives.''

Green Party co-leader Russel Norman said extra-judicial assassinations were never warranted and eroded respect for the US Government.

"It shows that the United States thinks that it has free reign to assassinate people it doesn't like.

"I think [Barack] Obama is fundamentally wrong in his pursuit of extra-judicial assassinations via the drones.''

He questioned whether the GCSB had a role in providing information which assisted with the killing.

Dr Norman said he believed that a New Zealander working for al Qaeda posed a threat to this country.

"But if we're going to deal with terrorism, we can't act like terrorists.''


I deplore the self serving offhand casualness of the PM, who cites operational security, but saw fit to self aggrandize by discussing combat locations of Willy Apiata and the SAS. However. Anyone tooled up in the field is a combatant. Much as it goes against the grain to admit it, the drone strike was not an assassination. It was a military op.

Dead terrorists

Not all terrorists are successful in carrying out their mission to kill and mutilate innocent non-combatants, but we can expect that for every terrorist killed, many innocent people will be saved from their obscene obsession.

The War On Terror is a real war being fought in many places. It's been a bad week in Nigeria with 300 killed and 100 schoolgirls abducted by Jihadist terrorists. There are deaths at the hands of religious terrorists every day. We don't always see them on the news, but many countries are affected. The news-media code-name for religious terrorism is "sectarian violence".

It turns out that the majority of casualties are Muslims. Contrary to Jihadist propaganda, the War On Terror is not a war on Muslims - in fact Muslims gain the most benefit from these drone strikes and other counter-terrorist actions.

Green MP Russel Norman seems to not understand that people fighting wars get killed, not "assassinated". He needs to show more compassion to the victims of terrorism and should not seek political gain from the attempts to prevent terrorist attacks.[Abridged]


You fight fire with fire, Dr Norman

Comments expressed by you here are just another reason you will never be prime minister of this country.

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