What was this? It went over Dunedin this afternoon.
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S'alright. It's not Orange in the morning. Is it?
Geo-Engineering and Chemtrails have been changing the earth's
upper atmosphere since 1997, that's why you hardly ever see
brilliant blue sky any more, just blueish haze generally.
It's advisable to get the facts before you make comments on
issues you don't know anything about.
The US Patent is US5003186 registered by David B. Chang,
Tustin, C.A. and I-Fu Shih, Los Alamitos, C.A. on behalf of
the Hughes Aircraft Company, Los Angeles, C.A. [abridged]
An obscure Swedish Green Party MP declaring chem trails to be
factual is a bit like the US politician that recently
declared pregnancy via rape to be A.O.K as it was God's
will. Their chosen professional status hardly deems
them to be any more authorative then anyone else with a
thin grasp of reality.
Swedish politician Pernilla Hagberg spoke out publically
against these chemtrails starting a groundswell of global
support from others in many other countries with this stand.
She has stated that the Swedish Govt have given approval to
the US programme of aerosoling the skies over Sweden. I
believe the Australian and New Zealand Govts have also
approved of chemtrails programmes over Australia and New
Zealand. Many including former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson say
chemtrail Death Dumps must be stopped.
. . . why I was coughing tonight.
The rumor mill will be working overtime..Two more Con-Chem or
whatever trails today.
The first at around 1pm was Aerolineas A340 heading to
Sydney and the later one around 4.45pm was Qantas 747-400
from Santiago to Sydney.
You raised the issue that 2 American states filed for
injunctions against these 'chemtrail' flights with the
implication that it gave some legitimacy to these, frankly,
ludicrous claims. Myself and others simply pointed out
the obvious flaws in your logic (live long, and prosper).
Youe also seemed to imply that 'conspiracy theories' are
outside the boundaries of this discussion, when in fact we
are discussing a theory (a proposed explanation whose status
is still conjectural and subject to experimentation) about a
conspiracy (a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful,
or evil purpose).
Waza: You're going to have try a little harder than that at
My point should be self evident - just because a group of
people believe something strongly enough to try and convince
the courts to take action, it doesn't neccessarily make that
belief any more correct.
The examples I gave are all examples where substantial
numbers of Americans hold a wrong belief.
Trippy, what has the world ending, Apollo moon landings,
creation and evolution to do with this subject?
Silentlord, whether you fail to find something, or you find
the judicial system amusing or you're preoccupied with
conspiraciy theories doesn't really matter here because we
are not discussing these.
Riley Taylor, no I'm not saying that, you are and as an aside
your unusual comments on people breaking out of asylum beg
the question, areyou a asylum seeker yourself?
Lots of people disagree with things I say. They're
usually wrong, what's your point?
2% of Americans believe that the world is going to end in a
week and another 22% think the world will end in their
lifetime. Does that make them any more correct?
20% of Americans believe that the NASA faked the Apollo moon
landings. Are the correct as well?
What about the 46% of Americans that believe in
creationism. Should we discard the theory of evolution
just for them?
Waza, you assert that 2 American states were successful in
gaining injunctions against this activity. Other than
the case that was dismissed on procedural grounds (Thabault
v. Sorrell), I wasn't able to find records of
injunctions. That's not to say you're incorrect;
the American justice system often produces some amusing
What I will say, however, is that if there were injunctions
granted they would be examples of the absurdity of the
American judicial system, rather than any validation
of these conspiracy theories.
Also, I highly reccomend Google'ing the subject of
so-called 'Chemtrails'. It provides an interesting
insight into the gullibility of the human psyche...
So what you're saying is two people escaped from asylums in
two different states in America?
Absurd to the extreme for some Kiwis on the other side of the
world but deadly serious for the citizens of 2 American
States who went to the Federal Court getting injunctions
prohibiting the flights in their airways, so stop the
conspiracy to publish the true facts.
The chemtrail conspiracy is absurd in the extreme, but, to be
fair steelblades said this: "If those trails are dominately
chemical in nature (and intended for nefarious
purposes)..." Water is a chemical, therefore even
contrails are dominately chemical in nature. :)
It's amazing that that in this day and age, where Bill
Clinton couldn't get away certain 'acts' in the privacy of
his own office, that people still believe that a global
conspiracy involving (as mentioned below) thousands of
engineers, maintenance crew, air port ground crew etc can
exist without one shred of evidence existing.
If those trails are dominately chemical in nature (and
intended for nefarious purposes) then I guess all the trails
above Europe and Britain during the major air campaigns were
too. I'm quite sure the engines of those thousands of bombers
were plumbed with weird and exotic chemicals that would cause
birth defects in the enemy's children in the following
decades. Why bomb the enemy for a few years when you can
poison them over decades!
Or perhaps it is just frozen water crystals from the exhaust
of high altitude aircraft engines. Nothing new - it's been
happening for over 60 years.
But that's unlikely. I was having coffee with Elvis the other
day and he was sure it was CHEMtrails, so who am I to
The moon landing were a fraud too. America just needed a
distraction, so the US govt made it all up (with the help of
aliens from Mars).
I agree with the nutshell guy but Dunedin has more going for
it than otherwise!
Contrails are well known to be persistant before evaporating
but it depends on the air temperature at that altitude and
upper winds (which also determine the aircraft route). The
fact the trails clearly come from the engines doesn't help
make the conspiracy theory seem any more credible.
When heavy aircraft disperse liquid (such as water bombers in
Greece or the states) they do so from the fuselage, not the
wings mainly due to aerodynamic, space and weight constraints
on design. See this Youtube clip. Heavy, fast aircraft were
never designed to disperse anything - see the angle of attack
on the 747 in the video when it's loaded. The idea that the
smaller A340 can take a load of passengers and still carry a
load of dispersant is ridiculous.
Dunedin in a nutshell:
- provincial unawareness of global activity
- informed comment providing details
- wild conspiracy theory
I'm surprised the "Chem Trail" post made it past the
moderators as it's the stuff of conspiracy theorists &
mad men. Unless of course the governments, airlines,
engineers, maintenance crew, air port ground crew etc are all
in on it and keeping their lips tightly sealed,
which doesn't sound overly feasible to the
This CHEMtrailing which is happening globally at high
altitudes by commercial aircraft. It is not a comtrial which
is evaporated vapour which disappears within 30-40 seconds.
These trails will hang in the air and expand out causing wave
like formations and stay in the atmosphere for days and
causing the natural blue sky to be obscured by haze. It
upsets the natural weather. If you google "chemtrails" and
hit images, there is plenty of information on the net about
More importantly is the knowledge of the substances they are
using, barium, strothium and aluminium, all dangerous level
neurotoxins. Ask your science teacher or doctor, or again
google them, it's all out there. These flights are happening
in most western countries including Australia and our main
cities. We can monitor the flights diverting off normal
flight routes to deliberately aerosol large cities. As a
young person growing up in Dunedin I appreciated the lovely
blue skies. Here in Australia we hardly see blue sky anymore.
Enjoy it if you can. As a previous blogger stated, you can
track these flights on www.Flightradar24.com to
identify these flights. Unfortunately governments are not
interested. It is a US programme and governments won't ask
This flight used to go Beuenos Aires to Sydney via Auckland
but now goes direct. It nornally is a A340-300 but on
Thursday was a 200 model. It sometimes calls in to
Auckland for fuel westbound if headwinds are strong. The
flight path of these flights is dependent on picking up the
best wind patterns. Qantas 747 Sydney to Santiago is
also visible some days but can cross NZ anywhere from
Stewart Island to Wellington.
Look up www. Flightradar24.com and you can identify
these aircraft as they cross over us. Takes the guess work
out of it.
The A340 has the same fat bit where the wing joins.
It's an A380 going over the south of NZ to miss the Ash
from in the North Island. It's got a fat body where the wings
connect to the body of the plane meaning it's an A380.
Thanks for the photo and all the suggestions. We checked with
Airways New Zealand and they conformed it was an Airbus A340
of Aerolineas Argentinas flying from South America to Sydney.
It's called a jet contrail. It's what happens when the
water vapour in the jet exhaust condenses under certain well
Probably Qantas 747 on Flight 27 /28 Santiago (Chile) -
Sydney. Flight path seems to vary depending on weather
It'a called a plane. Probably a boeing 747 or an Airbus A380.
I saw that also, It was a large plane that came from across
the Pacific and headed on a path across the South Island from
East to West.
US Air Force C17 Globemaster?
Could it be a 747 flight travelling from Sydney / Melbourne
to one of the South American cities, such as Santiago or
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