Unless it's a distracting flag referendum this is about as
much as we ever get from this government. I believe, in their
heads, they view "not ruling out doing more" as "taking
immediate and effective action". The status quo is "do
nothing" because they would rather leave it all to the
private sector (whose actions they cannot be blamed for). But
they know if they tell us "we're not ruling out doing more"
eventually we'll forget about it.
No need to be so bitter Missy, it's not a white feather and
you know it. Richie McCaw could point the fern out to you if
you were willing to listen to the man. I don't agree that the
general population is apathetic either with a lot of people
engaging on both sides of the flag debate.
Bravo, I'd be a Weekend Worrier as some have gone down in
Coast bush. You do mean those flying frames? Still remember
chartering aero club pilots wanting to log flying hours and
being permitted to 'ave a go' buzzing perfectly innocent
Sunny365: My survey of citizens views re flag review was
totally unbiased by me so it obviously cannot be classed as
"unhelpful". It was a simple statement of facts and actually
does not differ from citizens voting for or against one
political party or another. And to quote something that
happened way back in 2010 in support of a position is as daft
as quoting National's decision to go to war in Vietnam back
in 1965 to support a position in 2015. Of course I could
quote Muldoon's habit of changing laws by Order-in-Council in
the 1980's but I won't. My own view is that the Union Jack in
the corner of our current flag is a large part of our
history and I personally have no desire to discard my
history on my flag in favour of a sports emblem. Just
my view . . .
I would use it just because they don't want us to. Even
though I dont support the flag change, this is very
disrespectful. All the support and supporters obviously means
nothing to them. What do they think we are going to do. Front
a better rugby team than they have using similar branding?
Been busy trademarking all our national symbols have they?
Next DOC will trademerk the kiwi and someone will own
everything. Go the ABs! No, go further. Go further. Just go.
Bye bye. Sick of you.
The Tesla model S has just been driven 728.7km on a single
charge but that was at a constant 40km for around 20 hours on
the flat. This model has a quoted range of 491 km on a single
charge. That's not too bad I think you would agree.
Ah but sunny when you say "the price of democracy" you might
mean it, but when JK says it, it rings hollow. After all
where was that belief when JK was stating publically
"Referendums are a waste of time and money" while ignoring
the results of democracy and decrying the cost in every
previous one under this govt. The previous ones were all
arguably more important but those were ignored incl MMP and
coat tailing, MP numbers, smacking, asset sales, etc.
Also remember under Labour National blocked this very same
referendum because they wanted it done on their terms.
Remember also we had no say in the final 4, it is quite
conceivable that a flag design the majority could have been
happy with didn't make the cut.
There is no design that pays tribute to the Union Jack, none
that contains a kiwi (by which we are universally known) etc,
in other words we get to choose a fern design and that's it,
yes the Koru is a baby fern. There are plenty of areas wrong
with this whole process that make it a waste of money.
Bad system, bad timing all round. That's why it, despite the
spin is a waste of money, it is not democracy when the only
options are the same and the limited options are pre
selected. With elections at least there are real different
Democracy means real choice and a govt that listens when its
people speak. This govt fails on both counts. [abridged]
If Key was so desperate for a flag change and he genuinely
wanted people to have a real say, then why not simply give
the people the choice by adding the current flag to these 4
alternatives and ask everyone to vote on which of the 5 they
want? That way all the cost of a second referendum is saved
and people have real choice. But that isn't what John wants
of course is it?