As much as I agree the country is growing and changing
(slowly), I'm not sure how at the same time you can bemoan
those that are stuck in the past (or as I regard it fighting
for what they love; whether you believe they should love it
is irrelevant) while commenting on their disregard of history
with the Brook.
If you look at your points without having a conclusion
beforehand you could just as easily decide they are trying to
evolve the game to match the new world we live in.
Loyalty is not inherent; it comes generally from having a
connection with something. Many have said the team has become
more removed from the city itself and all the new guard are
saying is they want to reinstate that connection, and that
doesn't hurt anyone.
My nephew has no interest in doing things outside, only in
playing video games. it was only when I realised I only got
into sport when my Dad use to take me to the 'brook (and then
I sold programmes. and then I played rugby) that I realised
my nephew needs a connection to be interested.
Anything that gets kid interested sports (any and all sports)
is good, not because it is the only thing worth doing but
because when they are older they will more than often be
forced to spend most of their time inside and won’t get the
same opportunities.
Shame on those that put down those that try and improve the
world. If you disagree, then do what you think will help -
don't just sit there and moan.
...what would bring them the most money. So after having
self-congratulatory cocktails in their swanky corporate
lounge nearby at their stadium for being 'masters of the
universe', the rich could then wander by their rancid glass
and steel lot down by the wharf.
Working class and industry? Well, they only care for their
own upper crust ilk. Lower income people, as they have
indirectly demnstrated (who just happen to be ratepayers most
stung) seem to be dirt, far as they are concerned.
Of course, they try to proclaim they are creating jobs in the
region (like with stadium) but for the elitist upper crust
only. And many of the stadium parts are being made elsewhere.
But this shouldn’t come to anything - the bad egg incumbents
will roll in October.
Lets run that one by again, but doctor it to a more accurate
version.
Thou shalt not be happy or show any free spirit, interest,
constructively, but instead all be oppressed what we like;
rugby, racing, beer and a roofed stadium that will sap all
other possible projects for the citizens and visitors for
years to come. (not to mention essentials). You of more
creative innovative pastimes, sense of adventure all, like it
or lump it, it’s here to stay. The fact rugby’s dying in
popularity because many have seen the light has nothing to do
with it, as far as we are concerned.
Thou shalt not lead an interesting life but be miserable and
dour. Just turn on that TV Sat night, or head for the stadium
3-4 times a year when it’s on here, 40m of ‘em kicking a ball
while lower primate yelling from the crowd continues in
hysteria.
What could be more exciting and wow factor than that? (A lot
actually)
The Scottish Free Church Ministers would be proud that their
sermon lives on in this age. Gladly most of us do not to
return to "bleak house". Well, some of us would like to leave
the one that’s being created here, under this regime.
Saturday’s lcal doings; rugby, just as it was 50 years ago,
just that it’s in another place.
Quiet please. The Thought Police are in session. Vision,
adventurous thinking and progress are strictly forbidden.
Yes. As is creativity and using the organ up top.
No. I guess not. Another of the 'stadium cult', I guess. I
wonder if diehard followers of old (forgotten his name again)
of the Destiny Church similarly wants a statue of him
erected, believing, like his followers, the masses will be
there to admire it and worship his supposed prowess. It's a
good simile, that.
I'm sure though, the arrogance that prevails over this farce
will be more a notorious legacy to remind us while most of
the city's infrastructure decays and the stadium sits empty
but for all of maybe 5 nights a year. I'm sure they'll
install CCTV, otherwise....
It might get a mention in the travel guides like Lonely
Planet, commenting on the fact there's no buses et al here
because of a bunch of radical stubborn tunnel vision peons in
power who decided, in an egalitarian (if that's a strong
enough adjective) way that rugby and another stadium would
'make' the city, the be all, despite it always being known
for scenery and heritage buildings.
Doubtless it would be source of amusement for out of towners
at least, who’d balk, incredulous at a small city blowing all
their resources (and what they haven’t got, borrowed) for
that when likes of a cableway up Mt Cargill, cable cars etc…
would have been the obvious ideas at way less the cost.
For those depicted in the statues, the final stroke of
self-serving vain glory in a trophy, and for the 82% voting
against it, the final stroke of arrogant insult to injury.
Well, it continues to astound me that proponents of the
stadium think they and their costly apple of their eye are
basically the only ones that are important, while a plethora
of other worthy ideas that could be undertaken never see the
light of day. When it involves rugby, the overfed
mouth is fed while others are denied.
The comparison between a stadium and useful (not to mention
elegant buildings) such as the railway station is somewhat
bizarre - the railway station was used by thousands daily
when it was built.
It's indeed a shame some stadium money wasn’t poured into
doing something about things like commuter trains we are
sadly lacking - behind the times there. Indeed, our public
transport system was far superior in the 70s and 80s, when we
had electric buses and indeed, suburban trains.
Moana pool is well used daily by residents and visitors to
our city. Publicly-funded and well used by the public, over a
wide spectrum. Hmmm.
But perhaps we should be replacing it with another swimming
pool, despite it’s adequacy, if we use the stadium mentality.
Let's concentrate on what we haven’t got (there’s plenty of
scope there!) instead of wasting obscene sums on what we have
got.
And I think the facts on stadia incurring huge losses (such
as the Queensland ones losing tens of millions, that I’ve
said before), is somehow not a cause for rose tinted denial
of the truth.
If we are criticised for being realists and ignoring the work
of spin doctors, then we could be proud of that. After all,
it’s not as if this hasn’t happened before. I’m sure the
Queensland big-wigs said their stadia were going to do great
things, then since 2001, shrouded the huge annual losses from
them, finally revealed last year. Just what many figured what
would happen.
But of course we don’t see the ‘value’ of ball kicking…
OK.
It wouldn’t matter if this project reaches a billion dollars.
All us opposing the stadium would still be viewed with
condescension for having a realist’s view, in the one-eyed
views of the proponents.
The only reason we would be ne’er do wells is because anyone
else’s interests and any project to benefit those is
suppressed as a result of all stops being pulled for the
stinking stadium that, rose-tinted gasses off, will be
largely empty for all but a few hours of the year.
Years ago, I had to put up with rugby racing and beer at
home, woe betide anyone who disturbed this bizarre religion.
Even as a kid, I saw the whole silly thing as depressing and
epically pointless, and thought there must be a thousand and
one more creative or at least evolved vibrant fun ways to
spend spare time.
Fine for those for whom this is the limit of their thinking.
(most of them would rather keep The Brook, and in this day
and age, it’s a tad more relaxing to watch it on Sky at
home). But, heavens above, the ideas of things that most of
us would like to get off the ground are again clouded by dark
dull rugby crowds of the old-hat rugby, racing ad beer
mediocrity in the form of a supposed multi use stadium, just
because the other, seating 5000 more, doesn’t have a roof.
Blatant arrogance indeed it is, but it sure goes with the
territory and now its holding the city and it’s fairer
citizens and their more constructive interests to ransom.
But we are denigrated, being supposedly wrong, negative,
rustics, conspiracy theorists, for being a little angry, for
being ignored, stating the very obvious. Indeed the ones
being denigrated, while the wheels that squeak the loudest
get oiled yet again.
Well, one or two the country’s leading economics scientists
(and others in the know) were on our side at the Town Hall
STS meet. Consider their stance and the Queensland stadia
losses saga as one prime example. I think that puts things
into a different light - the same sort of positive mindset
types once said the Titanic was unsinkable.
I have grave concerns about the cutting of home help. We live
in Australia and my father-in-law currently receives
housework help. He is a widower and has no one else to look
after him. The last time we were home he looked so good, his
house was really clean and he was clean too.
It really made a difference to us to see he was being looked
after - before he was dirty and unkept. He is a very stubborn
man and he is 78. The lady that came just brightened his day
and we are fearful he go down hill fast without these visits.
Very sad.
Anton Oliver is a man of principles and you're right digger,
he should bypass National and Labour.The only political
leader in NZ anymore who has the same kind of principles as
Anton Oliver is Jim Anderton.Years of being involved in
politics havn't robbed him of his kindness and honesty.One
year of John Key is one year too much for me.
Muse might not have filled the Westpac Arena in 2007, but we
have a concentrated mass of zombified peer pressurised
university students within bottle-throwing distance of the
stadium. No other centre can boast that.
It won't be only the young ones filling the stadium. Those
approaching their autumn years, those made rich in the
Thatcher and Reagan era, those always happy to spend their
fortunes on new ways to relive their youth, will flock from
all corners of the country to enjoy the sounds of bands from
their formative days and to try to relive their varsity
experience, memories of which remain as rose-tinted as ever.
Tickets for Simon and Garfunkel, Ray Davies, Mott the Hoople,
and a large number of other similar era bands, will sell out
in minutes, The sheer number of older citizens at these
emotional events should pre-empt the health board to demand
more cash for cardiac services during such events – yet more
income for the city.
The increasing number of singles in this group, with money to
spend and pharmaceutical props making what had been near
impossible now predictable, will lead to shenanigans the
likes of which will make the students blush. Dunedin will
rock.
As much as I agree the country is growing and changing (slowly), I'm not sure how at the same time you can bemoan those that are stuck in the past (or as I regard it fighting for what they love; whether you believe they should love it is irrelevant) while commenting on their disregard of history with the Brook.
If you look at your points without having a conclusion beforehand you could just as easily decide they are trying to evolve the game to match the new world we live in.
Loyalty is not inherent; it comes generally from having a connection with something. Many have said the team has become more removed from the city itself and all the new guard are saying is they want to reinstate that connection, and that doesn't hurt anyone.
My nephew has no interest in doing things outside, only in playing video games. it was only when I realised I only got into sport when my Dad use to take me to the 'brook (and then I sold programmes. and then I played rugby) that I realised my nephew needs a connection to be interested.
Anything that gets kid interested sports (any and all sports) is good, not because it is the only thing worth doing but because when they are older they will more than often be forced to spend most of their time inside and won’t get the same opportunities.
Shame on those that put down those that try and improve the world. If you disagree, then do what you think will help - don't just sit there and moan.
Mikenette: Time permitting, I am always willing to post info or respond to reasonable and genuine questions. Opinions are something else, entirely!
If only the degenerates responsible could only be caught and dished out Singapore-style punishments...
I've seen a number of cases where new trees etc have been similarly butchered, and it makes me livid.
...what would bring them the most money. So after having self-congratulatory cocktails in their swanky corporate lounge nearby at their stadium for being 'masters of the universe', the rich could then wander by their rancid glass and steel lot down by the wharf.
Working class and industry? Well, they only care for their own upper crust ilk. Lower income people, as they have indirectly demnstrated (who just happen to be ratepayers most stung) seem to be dirt, far as they are concerned.
Of course, they try to proclaim they are creating jobs in the region (like with stadium) but for the elitist upper crust only. And many of the stadium parts are being made elsewhere.
But this shouldn’t come to anything - the bad egg incumbents will roll in October.
Lets run that one by again, but doctor it to a more accurate version.
Thou shalt not be happy or show any free spirit, interest, constructively, but instead all be oppressed what we like; rugby, racing, beer and a roofed stadium that will sap all other possible projects for the citizens and visitors for years to come. (not to mention essentials). You of more creative innovative pastimes, sense of adventure all, like it or lump it, it’s here to stay. The fact rugby’s dying in popularity because many have seen the light has nothing to do with it, as far as we are concerned.
Thou shalt not lead an interesting life but be miserable and dour. Just turn on that TV Sat night, or head for the stadium 3-4 times a year when it’s on here, 40m of ‘em kicking a ball while lower primate yelling from the crowd continues in hysteria.
What could be more exciting and wow factor than that? (A lot actually)
The Scottish Free Church Ministers would be proud that their sermon lives on in this age. Gladly most of us do not to return to "bleak house". Well, some of us would like to leave the one that’s being created here, under this regime. Saturday’s lcal doings; rugby, just as it was 50 years ago, just that it’s in another place.
Quiet please. The Thought Police are in session. Vision, adventurous thinking and progress are strictly forbidden. Yes. As is creativity and using the organ up top.
No. I guess not. Another of the 'stadium cult', I guess. I wonder if diehard followers of old (forgotten his name again) of the Destiny Church similarly wants a statue of him erected, believing, like his followers, the masses will be there to admire it and worship his supposed prowess. It's a good simile, that.
I'm sure though, the arrogance that prevails over this farce will be more a notorious legacy to remind us while most of the city's infrastructure decays and the stadium sits empty but for all of maybe 5 nights a year. I'm sure they'll install CCTV, otherwise....
It might get a mention in the travel guides like Lonely Planet, commenting on the fact there's no buses et al here because of a bunch of radical stubborn tunnel vision peons in power who decided, in an egalitarian (if that's a strong enough adjective) way that rugby and another stadium would 'make' the city, the be all, despite it always being known for scenery and heritage buildings.
Doubtless it would be source of amusement for out of towners at least, who’d balk, incredulous at a small city blowing all their resources (and what they haven’t got, borrowed) for that when likes of a cableway up Mt Cargill, cable cars etc… would have been the obvious ideas at way less the cost.
For those depicted in the statues, the final stroke of self-serving vain glory in a trophy, and for the 82% voting against it, the final stroke of arrogant insult to injury.
Well, it continues to astound me that proponents of the stadium think they and their costly apple of their eye are basically the only ones that are important, while a plethora of other worthy ideas that could be undertaken never see the light of day. When it involves rugby, the overfed mouth is fed while others are denied.
The comparison between a stadium and useful (not to mention elegant buildings) such as the railway station is somewhat bizarre - the railway station was used by thousands daily when it was built.
It's indeed a shame some stadium money wasn’t poured into doing something about things like commuter trains we are sadly lacking - behind the times there. Indeed, our public transport system was far superior in the 70s and 80s, when we had electric buses and indeed, suburban trains.
Moana pool is well used daily by residents and visitors to our city. Publicly-funded and well used by the public, over a wide spectrum. Hmmm.
But perhaps we should be replacing it with another swimming pool, despite it’s adequacy, if we use the stadium mentality. Let's concentrate on what we haven’t got (there’s plenty of scope there!) instead of wasting obscene sums on what we have got.
And I think the facts on stadia incurring huge losses (such as the Queensland ones losing tens of millions, that I’ve said before), is somehow not a cause for rose tinted denial of the truth.
If we are criticised for being realists and ignoring the work of spin doctors, then we could be proud of that. After all, it’s not as if this hasn’t happened before. I’m sure the Queensland big-wigs said their stadia were going to do great things, then since 2001, shrouded the huge annual losses from them, finally revealed last year. Just what many figured what would happen.
But of course we don’t see the ‘value’ of ball kicking… OK.
It wouldn’t matter if this project reaches a billion dollars. All us opposing the stadium would still be viewed with condescension for having a realist’s view, in the one-eyed views of the proponents.
The only reason we would be ne’er do wells is because anyone else’s interests and any project to benefit those is suppressed as a result of all stops being pulled for the stinking stadium that, rose-tinted gasses off, will be largely empty for all but a few hours of the year.
Years ago, I had to put up with rugby racing and beer at home, woe betide anyone who disturbed this bizarre religion. Even as a kid, I saw the whole silly thing as depressing and epically pointless, and thought there must be a thousand and one more creative or at least evolved vibrant fun ways to spend spare time.
Fine for those for whom this is the limit of their thinking. (most of them would rather keep The Brook, and in this day and age, it’s a tad more relaxing to watch it on Sky at home). But, heavens above, the ideas of things that most of us would like to get off the ground are again clouded by dark dull rugby crowds of the old-hat rugby, racing ad beer mediocrity in the form of a supposed multi use stadium, just because the other, seating 5000 more, doesn’t have a roof.
Blatant arrogance indeed it is, but it sure goes with the territory and now its holding the city and it’s fairer citizens and their more constructive interests to ransom.
But we are denigrated, being supposedly wrong, negative, rustics, conspiracy theorists, for being a little angry, for being ignored, stating the very obvious. Indeed the ones being denigrated, while the wheels that squeak the loudest get oiled yet again.
Well, one or two the country’s leading economics scientists (and others in the know) were on our side at the Town Hall STS meet. Consider their stance and the Queensland stadia losses saga as one prime example. I think that puts things into a different light - the same sort of positive mindset types once said the Titanic was unsinkable.
I have grave concerns about the cutting of home help. We live in Australia and my father-in-law currently receives housework help. He is a widower and has no one else to look after him. The last time we were home he looked so good, his house was really clean and he was clean too.
It really made a difference to us to see he was being looked after - before he was dirty and unkept. He is a very stubborn man and he is 78. The lady that came just brightened his day and we are fearful he go down hill fast without these visits. Very sad.
Anton Oliver is a man of principles and you're right digger, he should bypass National and Labour.The only political leader in NZ anymore who has the same kind of principles as Anton Oliver is Jim Anderton.Years of being involved in politics havn't robbed him of his kindness and honesty.One year of John Key is one year too much for me.
Muse might not have filled the Westpac Arena in 2007, but we have a concentrated mass of zombified peer pressurised university students within bottle-throwing distance of the stadium. No other centre can boast that.
It won't be only the young ones filling the stadium. Those approaching their autumn years, those made rich in the Thatcher and Reagan era, those always happy to spend their fortunes on new ways to relive their youth, will flock from all corners of the country to enjoy the sounds of bands from their formative days and to try to relive their varsity experience, memories of which remain as rose-tinted as ever.
Tickets for Simon and Garfunkel, Ray Davies, Mott the Hoople, and a large number of other similar era bands, will sell out in minutes, The sheer number of older citizens at these emotional events should pre-empt the health board to demand more cash for cardiac services during such events – yet more income for the city.
The increasing number of singles in this group, with money to spend and pharmaceutical props making what had been near impossible now predictable, will lead to shenanigans the likes of which will make the students blush. Dunedin will rock.