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Having lived amongst people in Brazil where 'elected ' representatives can live anywhere, and can be arbitrarily selected by absentee leaders (like our List system), I know there is a huge difference between electorate-only and list.

The fact that electorate MPs have to deal with the day-to-day troubles of those locals who voted for them means that the MPs get to see first-hand the outcome of their policy-making. The electors get to see the MPs' kids at school and at the park: people can observe the MP going about their normal life, and decide for themselves whether the MPs are in fact bona-fide members or just lackeys of foreign powers (sounds ott but it isn't, look at the Chinese milk investment figures)

Labour List Leader Little is the logical outworking of a poorly thought-through experiment that has failed.

All good

Yep that's great Mr Cull, well done. Answer me this though. As I would have already paid does that mean I get a free residents pass to all the games while those from out of town pay to watch? It's about time those of us living here start to get to use this place for free as we subsidies the place to stay open. When I pay for something I like to use it!

One day of research . . .

. . . on the internet would have told anyone interested that the Forsyth Barr stadium was going to lose significant money annually. I think Dunedin needs an audit investigation to show everyone who profited from the stadium. We need to know the details so that ratepayers are never forced into simply terrible spending again. Accountability is important, and the first step to making better future decisions. This woud help Dunedin regain confidence in the DCC.

Wave goodbye

Love that commitment. The wall should not get worse, it might hold up, only a few small voids could open up. Hey let's hope nobody is standing over that small void if it does decide to open. Sounds like a nice little earner for somebody to continue to patch this up. Wave goodbye to St Clair promenade as the sea will win over a few buckets of sand and a fingers-crossed approach. I am only suprised the council are not voting for a cycleway along it!

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Council

Oh yes, let's spends millions on cycleways for the few that use them and push the St Clair issues to one side and just keep spending money on tempory fixes and engineering reports.

Speechless as they fail to see what a drawcard the beach is for both visitors to Dunedin and of course locals who pay rates.

I suppose its only what I expect in the city that fails to grow.

No such thing as too much inconvenience

"A pedestrian struck by a car at 40kmh has twice the chance of surviving as one struck at 50kmh." What about if the car's speed was 30kmh, or 20kmh? Would it be an improvement if we reverted to having a person bearing a sign "Beware, motorised vehicle follows" walking ahead of the car?

Two vehicle lanes in Kaikorai Valley Road were great. One could go slowly in the slow lane looking for a particular business, without being a pest to those who were on their way straight through between Taieri Rd and Green Island / the motorway.

Kaikorai Valley Road from the roundabout to Burnside is a planner's disgrace, ribbon development without parallel feeder streets servicing the businesses along it so as to avoid dozens of driveways between each side street. It also has an extraordinarily low number of pedestrians on the footpaths, and as for any crossing the road they are so scarce that amateur astronomers while away the hours of daylight attempting to be first to see one.

So cyclists and pedestrians could surely sharing the footpath so that motorists could drive a little faster along this long flat wide road - wide until a previous traffic-phobe DCC Manager, long before the current cycle lane craze, decided that his mission was to prevent ease of getting around (or through) Dunedin. He it was who reduced the previous 2 lanes each way to one. He was big on "traffic calming", the official euphemism for messing around with roads that people had the brass neck to use, resulting in drivers becoming short-tempered. Wear and tear on our equilibrium forced us to find alternative routes to avoid his speed humps and other annoyances, which in turn provided him with even more opportunities to fix what hadn't been broken, not till he got started.

Let's just pay half

QsRC: it's not a home it's a business, if your business is losing money eventually you throw in the towel and get back what you can - the land alone is worth $35m (that's what we paid for it), plus if someone else is using it we can charge them $2m a year worth of rates (according to this document) that aren't being paid now - together that pays down roughly half the stadium debt, leaving half for us to pay, the alternative is paying ALL of the debt plus subsidising DVML and professional rugby to the tune of 3 million a year for the next decade and $6m a year after that (again according to this study).

So which would you rather have? Pay for half of the stadium or all of it? I know which is cheaper.

What input will ratepayers get, if any?

Will this be as it has been all along for ratepayers. Pay up and shut up or will ratepayers have some say in any rate increased stadium funding? Most of us feel we've paid enough and others should now pay their share if more is now needed!

Maybe the council should hold a binding referendum which asks ratepayers what they want. User pays for continued use, closure to save the opperating cost or to carry on as we are with ongoing rate increases required to cover the increasing ongoing losses. Why should this be up to a small group who seem to not have the ratepayers' interest at heart.

If the council force this increase then there should be organised resistance. This will not be the end of rates increases or council asset sales to feed this money wasting white elephant.

@Its me: Moana Pool v the stadium. Moana pool pays its way and is an asset, the staduim will never pay its way and is a liability.

40km/h on all its roads

Are you certain all NYC roads are 40km/h, that is a mighty call, and most residential streets in Australia are 50km/h not 40 as you point out and the main throughfares through the built up areas are 60km/h plus to keep the traffic moving. This actually works very well and does what the large wide carrigeways are designed for - to move vehicles not to hamper the flow, depending on the State there are 40km/h past schools between 8.30 - 9.30 and 2.30 - 3.30 heavily policed.

Are you classing Kaikorai Valley as a residential road because it is not, it is an arterial route and should be free flowing, from four lanes to two and more cars on the road, another example of let's fix what isn't broken.

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