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Ben Smith discusses his start to rugby with Green Island, saying: "I was a bit of a battler, I just enjoyed the game."
Shuffled around the park, from the forward pack across the backs, he never thought he would get a go at the big time, and neither did his parents.
"They [my parents] were similar to me really, they never thought I'd get a crack."
After his inauspicious debut for Otago, a 70-point drubbing from Wellington, he worried that might have been it for his professional career.
"I played my first game for Otago, but it could've been my last."